In Multipolarity

By Dan Froomkin, The Intercept, Wednesday, Oct. 5 2016

U.S. vice-presidential candidates Mike Pence (Republican, left) and Tim Kaine (Democrat) debate on Oct 4, 2016 (Andrew Gombert, AP)

U.S. vice-presidential candidates Mike Pence (Republican, left) and Tim Kaine (Democrat) debate on Oct 4, 2016 (Andrew Gombert, AP)

Tim Kaine and Mike Pence quarreled and quibbled over a number of issues Tuesday night, the central one being the condition of Donald Trump’s soul, but the biggest takeaway of the debate may be the things the two men agreed about – all of which are scary.

They agreed that Russia is evil and terrifying and must be aggressively countered. They agreed that the U.S. should militarily intervene in Syria. They agreed that the national debt is frightening. They agreed that community policing, a euphemism for doing nothing, is going to make everything better again. And they agreed to talk over the female moderator, Elaine Quijano.

The Intercept‘s staff liveblogged the debate, sympathizing with the routinely ignored moderator, while at the same time marveling over the irrelevance of some of her questions – fearmongering about the debt and Social Security? Seriously? With all the real things we should be worrying about?

Glenn Greenwald wrote about how “Mike Pence and Tim Kaine puffed up their chests and grappled with one another over who can be more antagonistic to Russia and who can scare Vladimir Putin more.” In Pence’s case, this happened in spite of the fact that Trump has called for a de-escalation of tensions with Russia, which has in turn led to Democrats’ “repeated accusations that he is some sort of agent of the Kremlin”…

Read the full article with extensive weblinked material, at the weblink above.

Related reading:
A vice-presidential debate to forget, by Michael Winship, Consortium News, October 5, 2016

Democrat Tim Kaine was annoying with his hectoring and Republican Mike Pence sanctimonious in his calmness, but the real losers were the American people who learned little from the vice-presidential debate.

Did Tim Kaine and Mike Pence realize that “safe zones” in Syria would require U.S. troops?, by Zaid Jilani, The Intercept, Oct 5, 2016

Democratic and Republican vice presidential candidates Mike Pence and Tim Kaine both advocated for establishing “safe zones” in war-torn Syria during their debate Tuesday night, an indication that whoever wins in November, the U.S. may end up deploying considerable resources — including ground troops — in the Middle East again…

On nuclear policy, Trump and Clinton agree: Armageddon is an option, by Andrew J. Bacevich, published in, October 4, 2016


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